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hello this is David Marlar and you're

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listening to somewhere in the skies with

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Ryan Sprague this is somewhere in the

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did you see Travis Walton folksy object

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on foot

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yeah yeah I did did you personally

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dislike that as well.you what kind of

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question is that

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you or any of your crew murder Travis

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woman absolutely not what did it look

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like yes

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Xfire you expect me to believe that a

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flying saucer came down and took your

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friend away but aren't you speaking up

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for us wait let this man talk to us like

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hey cookie

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan spray so I am a guy in my

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30s so it may come of no surprise that I

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like horror movies ever since I snuck

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into the living room as a kid and

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watched from behind the couch as my

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parents watched in 1987 cult classic The

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Lost Boys I was hooked then came my

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obsession with Nightmare on Elm Street

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Friday the 13th and of course the

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seminal work of George Romero in the

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Living Dead movies I loved the

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vulnerable feeling of fear and suspense

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coursing through my veins

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that night I peeked through my own hands

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covering my eyes but deep down I always

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knew that between me in the monster

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there was a scream keeping me safe these

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for the twisted fantasies created by

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writers directors and actors but

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sometimes there are those monsters that

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become all too real they don't call me

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reminds of a writer but perhaps

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somewhere far far off in the cosmos

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today I'm joined by Sammy Wyson host of

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the howl forum program a podcast

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dedicated to discussing in depth the art

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of the horror movies on this episode

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finds both of us recounting our own

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strange UFO sighting and how we came to

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find one another shoes we then dive deep

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into a film we bolt or close to our

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founding

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and that is fire in the sky based on the

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true story of Travis Waltons heroine

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1975 UFO abduction Sammy and I discussed

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the impact the film had embers is

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striking differences between the actual

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event and Hollywood version and our own

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running of the central thicket kind of

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spider they don't travel squat so

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without further ado let's get to this

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podcast Monster Mash with the Howell

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horror programs very own Sammy

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Washington Sammy what's up I'm in I'm so

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honored to be here and to have this

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conversation with you today it's it's

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been a long journey for us just getting

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together and being able to do this and

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to be able to talk but I really

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appreciate it you know and it really

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just came out of literally me ordering

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your book because I had I had seen so

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many posts about it on Instagram and

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online and I was like man people seem to

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really be like enjoying this book I need

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to I need to figure out what this is and

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went on your website ordered it you know

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made sure to hey if you're going to

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order a book you order a book and you

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have the author sign it and was able to

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you know and then you emailed me right

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back and like you know I'm going to be

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out of town but I got it coming to you

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and then we just kind of struck up with

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talking about podcasts so I'm super

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psyched that that was able to happen and

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that you're actually you know wanting to

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do a show with me I really appreciate it

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it means a lot

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oh me too man I like like you said you

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know we literally connected through

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PayPal yeah that is true well yes like

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it was even like my pin the email

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address that my PayPal was connected to

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was an old one that I couldn't even get

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into anymore so I had to email you from

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a new one to be able to do this so yeah

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yeah when I saw that you on you had your

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own few podcasts actually I had to check

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and it's awesome that we were able to

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come together and that we have so much

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in common between our interests and

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horror in general so I think there's

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going to be a really fun one yeah man

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I've been looking forward to this for a

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while so it's so it's going to be a lot

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of fun I think that we're going to be

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able to really get into you know exactly

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what the whole deal with fire in the sky

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is because it's a very polarizing movie

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it's one of my favorite ones so I was

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really happy that you were able

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you were online being like yo what about

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fire in the sky so it was it's really

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good that we were able to connect with

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that so yeah right and like how many

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alien movies can you really think of

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that are in the horror genre as it were

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alien you know anthology but other than

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that this one really stuck out to me as

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being more of a horror movie than

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anything yeah it really is I mean yeah

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it's uh it's the the content isn't

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horrific it's G well the content in the

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movie is actually fairly horrific it's

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it's still like a pretty typical sci-fi

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movie but man like this is one of those

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movies that just for whatever reason

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just scared the crap out of people when

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it came out and it just is kind of one

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of those things where it's one of those

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movies where any any time you talk to a

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person about it if they've seen it

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they're always like oh man that movie

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screwed me up when I was a kid so that's

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why like that's the best thing that a

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movie could be to me so well and I'm

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sure we'll get really deep into that

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soon but I kind of want to turn the

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tables on you here Sam you let my

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listeners who've never heard your show

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let them know what you do what we can

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expect from your podcast please my

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podcast is called the Hal horror program

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and it is basically just an excuse for

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me to be able to connect with people

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that I don't know anywhere and be able

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to talk with them about movies and what

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of time it's not even really talking too

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much about the movie it's just me being

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really interested in people and wanting

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and ending up just enjoying talking to

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them about their life experience in what

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brought them into loving horror movies

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um so you know it's it's one of those

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things where it's really just an excuse

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to just try to meet people and and you

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know so I'll bring on musicians onto my

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shows you have burlesque performers just

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friends of mine anything from any walks

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of life is the whole point to me is that

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so is that you know if they're into

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horror movies and they and they really

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like that sort of thing

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then we usually pick a movie that we

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want to discuss we talk about it and

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then we just talk about them and and

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what got them into it and what their

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favorite stuff is so it's kinda

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like I'm by no means a expert on on

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movies these are just movies that you

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know I've grown up from a small child

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just for whatever reason be just being

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totally in love with horror movies and

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just continue to watch them and collect

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them over the years and from my

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background it's just really fascinating

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to be able to sit down and talk with

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other people who completely have a

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different story for themselves but love

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do you remember I have to ask it put you

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on the spot do you remember the first

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horror movie you've ever seen the first

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horror movie I probably ever remember

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seeing was I would say it's a it's

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probably Pet Sematary and it wasn't even

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protected particularly a movie at that

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time that I really cared about it was

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just something that I saw in the

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background on TV but the first movie

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that really got me into horror and got

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me into this stuff wasn't even a movie

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it was a documentary about the filming

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of Michael Jackson's Thriller I was a

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huge Michael Jackson's fan as a kid and

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and I remember they once Lee released

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the album they also released a VHS

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cassette of the making of and and and it

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was available to rent at my local video

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store so I saw Michael Jackson on the

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cover and was like okay guys you know

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talking my parents like you have to rent

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this for me and they did and it scared

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Michael Jackson Thriller is still a

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pretty frightening thing where it has

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like the werewolf cat in the beginning

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stuff and the special effects and the

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practical practical effects in there and

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the creature makeup was so incredible

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and so amazing and it was one of those

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things where even though it just scared

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me to death I continued to rent that

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movie every single weekend for probably

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a good five years it was like the main

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thing that got me into it IIIi know that

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feeling I remember when that video you

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know his first you know making the

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rounds on TV I couldn't watch it I would

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have to turn away at certain parts

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especially when the entire zombie dance

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started it just yeah too much I wanted

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too much well there yeah I mean there

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was even a time when I would have to

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like turn off the radio when that song

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would come on because it would just make

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me think of the video too so

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you know it was great for that way in it

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I mean obviously it changed how music

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videos were it changed everything for

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that because it was basically a small

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movie you know as a featurette instead

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of a music video I think was like eight

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that may potentially even longer and it

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wasn't just the song it was this whole

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ordeal and just the fact that Michael

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Jackson went out of his way to find

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these people to collaborate with who are

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so incredible in huge parts of the

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horror scene at that point and movie

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makers and stuff that you know it was a

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really a special thing and he I imagine

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if it happened to me I'm sure that he

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probably turned a bunch of his young

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fans at that point into horror fans as

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well by happenstance you know so I have

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to agree ya know who narrated that video

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it's escaping me well there's a there's

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a small narration in the middle of the

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in the middle of the song and that was

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for that yeah it's just one of those

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things where it's just struck I think it

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was a combination of both the music but

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just the visuals and and then that

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compelled me to just go into my grade

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school library and just like rent out as

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many like check out I guess no rent out

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but check out as many like horror like

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movie books as I possibly could and just

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became obsessed with it so yeah I you

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know probably had too young and age my

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first one was Lost Boys begins they oh

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yeah not yeah um again just I caught a

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glimpse on the TV one night my parents

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were watching it I wasn't supposed to be

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in the room sure and oh man that's stuck

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with me you know it well a awesome movie

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still a great movie still one that I

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watch all the time and I was actually

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just in Santa Cruz where they filmed it

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last weekend and went on the boardwalk

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and went on the roller coaster and stuff

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that's like one of my favorite places of

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all time because of that movie so I know

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that whenever you are over on the west

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coast definitely take a little I think

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it's like four hours from from the LA

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kind of area and you're going to be

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right there and it's amazing to go to oh

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I'm there exposure therapy I'll find out

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right over this fear of vampires yeah

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definitely just get yourself in the

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middle of it you know and they have a

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bunch of like places that you can go to

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they really embrace it during summer as

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well so it's a lot of fun so cool

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so you asked me about my show now one

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thing that I so I don't know if you're

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like me I'm basically at this point I'm

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a podcast junkie like before I was a

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talk radio junkie I listened I started

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listening to like I said earlier coast

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to coast am when it was art bell and

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then eventually George Noory listened to

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a lot of like fringe radio and in

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paranormal kind of radio stuff

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eventually once everything switched over

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in a major way to podcast I started

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really going out and trying to find ones

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that the nice thing about podcast is

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there's a podcast about everything

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the one thing that's hard for you and I

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is that there's a billion podcasts about

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horror movies and there's a billion

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podcasts about UFOs but I will tell you

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that I really really really enjoy your

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show and if you could would you let you

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know maybe you talked about to my

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listeners a little bit about you know

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like your show and what you've talked

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about and kind of like how how it's been

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going so far for you because it has you

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haven't been doing it for too long have

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you a little under two months now I

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think I'm looking about 1415 episodes

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yeah you're you're getting right through

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it because like I've been probably doing

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it for about a well at least that my

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horse the how horror program I've been

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doing for probably about a year and a

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half maybe almost about two years and I

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think that I'm only up like maybe 25

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episodes so you're really going through

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you know you're burning through it

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pretty quick well I mean that's the

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beauty of a tomb and I think is these

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are things you can do when you want

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you're not on a broadcasting schedule

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you don't have to adhere to anyone's

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deadlines like this is for you this is

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and I think that's what's important this

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is a passion project for me somewhere in

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the skies and you know I I do release

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every Monday that is a deadline I hold

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myself to but you know life gets in the

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way of these things so anything can

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happen there might be a time I take a

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week off two weeks off two months off

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who knows anything can happen but I

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think consistency is key and when when

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you have enough material out there I

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like to take advantage of

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and the people I've interviewed so far

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on the show everything from UFO

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quote-unquote experts to everyday people

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you know I've had a comedian on I've had

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a writer from television I've had I'm

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gonna have some Broadway actors here in

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New York come on the show oh no I really

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want to open up you know the discussion

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I don't want what the same damn people

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you've heard on every like you said

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billions of UFO podcasts billions of

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horror podcast yeah I want those

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everyday people who have an interest in

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this topic so that's what excites me

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that's what makes me want to do this

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every week and it's been going good so

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far man far far better than I ever could

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have imagined it's just so good to have

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the support of so many people out there

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in so many walks of life not just the

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quote-unquote UFO community so yes ya

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know your your show yeah like I said I

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really enjoy your show and man you have

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had amazing guests on you know like I

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really loved that like the the the

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different mix of people and it's it's

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it's been really refreshing because you

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know you'll but that's the great thing

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about you know these shows in these

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podcast is we have the ability to could

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literally do whatever we want and for me

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and it sounds like for you as well the

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thing that we really want to primarily

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get into is the stories of people that

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you may not know you know we can do and

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we can try to do interviews with with

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these you know researchers that you've

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heard on all the different shows a bunch

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of times kind of telling the same story

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each time we can talk to directors or or

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actors for movies who you know kind of

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have their canned response to a lot of

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your questions but it's the people that

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are kind of on the fringes of those or

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just you know just anybody up your

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neighbor who has had an experience and

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has seen something in the sky or your

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neighbor who loves the movies that you

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do and then you know being able to get

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with them and talk to him about it kind

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of having a real personal connection

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that's the that's the most fun part out

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of it you know for me at least and it

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seems like it is for you as well I think

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so you know I I'm a creature of habit

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I love comfort

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I you know if I wanted to know I put the

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office on on that yeah and I watch it

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I've seen every episode a million

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goddamn times that I know what line is

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coming next and there's comfort in that

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I can go do something else while this is

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on in the background or yeah I put the

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Lion King on it's like one winter movie

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and again it's not that I'm paying

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attention it's just there it's in the

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background what I think is cool is

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getting people you haven't heard from in

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asking new questions and that's going to

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make it yeah having the same people on

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over and over again hearing the same

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thing literally scene yeah beat for beat

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they will say the same answer to a

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question you've heard on ten other

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podcasts you know that's fine you know

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there's a place for that but I think

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what you're trying to do and what I'm

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trying to do and a lot of others are

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trying to do is to get new audiences and

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ask new questions and take this journey

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together yeah exactly and you know as a

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newer you know I'm it's not I was about

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to say as a newer podcaster I'm

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literally been podcasting for a year so

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it's not like I'm so some old grizzled

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vet who you know has been doing this for

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years and knows all the tricks of the

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trade whatever but I mean you really

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quickly come come into a it seems like a

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great following great guess and

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everything so what you're doing looks to

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be the right way to do it and the fact

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is is that you're passionate about it

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and you're having fun with it and every

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day like what I've noticed so far is

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like on my phone whenever I have a

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facebook like notification it's you

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posting in your and your group and I'm

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always I look at my phone I'm like god

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damn that guy is just always on it and

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it's like it's it's inspiring because

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it's like I'm literally the opposite of

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that where you know I'll do a little bit

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of you know promotion on things or try

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to get people to listen to it but like

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you are always you are always right

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there and you're you you know you're

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really quick about things and obviously

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your listeners really appreciate I know

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that as they listened myself I love it

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because it's it's good content and it's

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like super quick content and it's always

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fun so hey I hope so man I hope I to

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many people haven't blocked me on their

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social network at this point but I think

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it is very important to stay engaged

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with people you consider your audience

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you know they're taking time out of

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their day to listen to you babble for an

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hour and a half so yeah the least I can

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do is give them quality content and

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again to just make them part of it if

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this is just me preaching to the choir

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about UFOs are real or you know this

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person says the government's doing this

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what what the hell's the point like I'm

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Jim I'm no expert there is no degree in

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ufology I'm just a young passionate

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person about this topic as you are with

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the horror genre and just giving our

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opinions on these things and we we feel

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like there are those out there that we

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trust to give opinions and those are the

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people were going to hear from what got

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you into doing this

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like I know as a person who's read your

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book I know what got you into it but you

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had an experience when you're younger

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now before you had your experience and I

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would like you to actually explain your

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experience if you can but before that I

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would like to know like did you have any

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interest in this subject at all or did

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you know anything about it before you

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had your experience no no not at all

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okay have you found that that's

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generally how it is because I come from

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a completely opposite direction where I

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have always been into that sort of stuff

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pretty early on because my dad just like

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had you know Reader's Digest mysteries

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of the unexplained books just sitting

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around the house and I was a kid out as

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a kid I'd always go and you know you'd

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you'd read up on ghosts you'd read up on

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the Bermuda Triangle or like Bigfoot or

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you know UFOs and aliens and that sort

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of stuff so it's always been a

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fascination to me but I don't know if

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that's normal or or not it sounds like

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at least in your case you didn't really

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even think about it and so you had your

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experience yeah for me personally no I

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didn't you know in it I think it is a

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case-to-case basis for sure I was I was

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an athlete you know I grew up playing

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baseball and listening to Green Day that

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was pretty much my life dude okay well

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basically hey switch baseball for

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basketball and I'm the same person I bet

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pretty much so that is fair enough I'm

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too short you know I got caught

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traveling too much when I tried to play

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basketball and was not my thing

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and you like do you like sunflower seeds

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more yes exactly just like fox mulder

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today yeah well yeah yeah I am I had

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what really stemmed my interest was a

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sighting I had when I was 12 years old

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I was on a weekend getaway with my

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parents at the st. Lawrence River which

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runs all through upstate New York and

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separates New York basically from Canada

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I was fishing off a dock one night like

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I said listen need a green day on my

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discman this is back in days good I have

539
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:30,030
like the auto shock like things it would

540
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:31,620
not skip any time you'd walk somewhere

541
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,020
yeah yep there were great times man yes

542
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:36,600
exactly I don't know what that auto shot

543
00:21:41,780 --> 00:21:39,510
button was for and you'd have to change

544
00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:41,790
the batteries every like two days yeah

545
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:42,510
totally

546
00:21:47,810 --> 00:21:44,250
that was just my incessant listening I

547
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:47,820
guess no but yeah I was I was fishing it

548
00:21:52,930 --> 00:21:51,570
was dark out and I was by myself and I

549
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:52,940
noticed these three white lights

550
00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:55,650
reflecting off the water and I'm reeling

551
00:22:00,260 --> 00:21:58,440
in my line and I'm like that looks it's

552
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:00,270
kind of weird probably a plane I look up

553
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:03,690
and there's this massive triangular

554
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,900
formation probably again I was I was

555
00:22:13,060 --> 00:22:09,120
really young memories hazy but maybe

556
00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:13,070
like 300 400 feet up pretty high and

557
00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:16,470
there's this fuzzy orange red sphere in

558
00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:19,500
the center of the formation I couldn't

559
00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:21,240
see a type of structure so I can't say

560
00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:23,400
for sure this is the craft of any kind

561
00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:25,710
nothing like that but I could not see

562
00:22:30,530 --> 00:22:28,140
the stars behind it either I ripped my

563
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:30,540
headphones off my disc wing goes flying

564
00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:32,970
down the dock and you know I'm expecting

565
00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:33,660
to hear

566
00:22:38,030 --> 00:22:35,430
whatever's above me but there's nothing

567
00:22:39,650 --> 00:22:38,040
all I could hear was the you know like

568
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,660
the water hitting the dock at the

569
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:41,700
constant rate so there is you it's

570
00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:42,930
you're still able to hear like

571
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:44,760
everything else kind of like nature and

572
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:46,410
sounds around you but just not the

573
00:22:50,350 --> 00:22:48,450
actual craft absolutely I could go to

574
00:22:52,970 --> 00:22:50,360
the water and I could faintly hear

575
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:52,980
inside we were staying at a motel that

576
00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:55,380
had this dock I could hear the Yankees

577
00:23:01,400 --> 00:22:58,980
game in so our room that my dad was

578
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,410
watching and I'm just like freaking out

579
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:03,600
I can't say anything I'm staring up at

580
00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:05,250
this thing and then I start to feel this

581
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,430
like this like a vibration running

582
00:23:12,650 --> 00:23:09,600
behind my ear

583
00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:12,660
down my neck into my chest and at this

584
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:15,030
point I start freaking out I start

585
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:18,210
yelling for my dad and finally he gets

586
00:23:23,539 --> 00:23:20,100
up off his ass to come out and see

587
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:23,549
what's going on and he sees the tail end

588
00:23:27,650 --> 00:23:25,380
of this triangular formation it's

589
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:27,660
coasting over the water towards Canada

590
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:31,220
and he sees the two tail and lights and

591
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:34,169
you know he tells me it's a plane stop

592
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:35,730
freaking out don't make a big deal about

593
00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:40,080
it but dude like even at 12 I knew this

594
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:43,470
was not just a plane yeah I'm not saying

595
00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:45,960
it was alien bite surely stretch of the

596
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,030
imagination but it definitely was not a

597
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,700
plane that I was used to see well I

598
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,320
think that's a really interesting point

599
00:23:57,860 --> 00:23:55,140
there to being able to to know you know

600
00:24:00,260 --> 00:23:57,870
like or not know exactly what it is you

601
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,270
know because there's what I found in

602
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:03,000
being interested in this subject for for

603
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:05,220
a long time and listening to a lot of

604
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:07,260
shows and reading books is that people

605
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:09,750
seem to be very very confident on

606
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:11,570
whether it's something like that is

607
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,010
extraterrestrial or not and it the fact

608
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:17,159
is that how you don't know so like for

609
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:20,039
me if I you know I didn't have the same

610
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:21,750
experiences you did I had an experience

611
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,610
but like to me it was the same thing

612
00:24:27,169 --> 00:24:25,260
where was like I have no idea what that

613
00:24:29,659 --> 00:24:27,179
was all I know is that was weird and

614
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:29,669
that that's not normal well I'm not

615
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,260
gonna let you off easy man you got to

616
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,840
tell me just tease me a little what was

617
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:35,580
this experience you had if you don't

618
00:24:40,610 --> 00:24:38,460
mind sharing oh no no no no mine is

619
00:24:42,020 --> 00:24:40,620
actually happened to me when I was a

620
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,030
little bit older than you I was I was

621
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,600
about 25 and I went to the coast with a

622
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:48,480
group of friends we rented out a house a

623
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:50,820
big beach house on the beach overlooking

624
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:53,280
the Pacific Ocean as people do from time

625
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:54,900
to time it was a group of about six

626
00:24:58,820 --> 00:24:57,299
people and we went to the beach and it

627
00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:58,830
was summer and it was beautiful out and

628
00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:01,590
it's a beautiful clear night we were on

629
00:25:05,779 --> 00:25:03,179
you know in the house overlooking the

630
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:05,789
Pacific Ocean and everybody was having a

631
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:07,470
good time we ended up watching and I

632
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,440
don't know if this we you know like I

633
00:25:14,299 --> 00:25:12,720
don't know if this prompted it but we

634
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:14,309
were watching that really crappy like

635
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,400
early 2000s Ivan Reitman film evolution

636
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:19,740
would David Lee company that the alien

637
00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:21,929
one yes it like for whatever reason it

638
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:23,070
was on TV

639
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:24,750
so we were like watching that and it was

640
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:27,000
like okay well cool and just like

641
00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:28,500
playing board games and all that kind of

642
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:30,540
crap and just hanging out then everybody

643
00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,310
went to bed because well everybody went

644
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:34,860
to bed besides a friend uh you know of

645
00:25:39,170 --> 00:25:37,710
my a friend of mine and myself they went

646
00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:39,180
to bed pretty early because they also

647
00:25:42,740 --> 00:25:40,830
were the ones that had the girlfriends

648
00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:42,750
so I feel like there was some canoodling

649
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,030
going on you know so unfortunately I was

650
00:25:50,150 --> 00:25:48,720
and I wasn't a part of that so I stayed

651
00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:50,160
up a little bit longer with my friend

652
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:51,150
and we just kind of hung out in the

653
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:52,710
living room and talked about stuff and

654
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:53,970
eventually made our way out to the

655
00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:55,740
living room window where we were kind of

656
00:26:02,480 --> 00:25:57,870
just like looking at the at the you know

657
00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:02,490
that sky and we both noticed a a green

658
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:05,040
orb that was basically if you put the if

659
00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:07,290
you stretch out your arm and you are

660
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:09,990
holding a like a 50-cent piece it was

661
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:12,720
about that size in front of us over it

662
00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:16,110
came out from the water and kind of went

663
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:18,750
up went up - and I don't even know how

664
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:20,670
many feet it was we're not pretty high

665
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:22,800
in the sky and it was really bright it

666
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:24,660
was a really bright green and it's been

667
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:26,130
it hovered there for a little bit and

668
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:27,900
the whole this whole experience maybe

669
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:30,120
lasted about a minute and a half or so

670
00:26:34,580 --> 00:26:32,220
it hovered and then it kind of

671
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,590
sporadically kept on like moving from

672
00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:36,360
side to side like left to right up to

673
00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:38,550
down just kind of like in a very not

674
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:40,820
like okay that's not a plane and

675
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:43,410
helicopters are definitely not that fast

676
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:45,000
like there was something weird there

677
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:47,010
wasn't like a you know sometimes on the

678
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:48,810
coast you have fireworks people will

679
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:50,130
shoot up fireworks off the beach it

680
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,420
wasn't anything like that because it was

681
00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:53,880
very stationary just staying there and

682
00:26:57,290 --> 00:26:55,830
it kind of did you know kind of motioned

683
00:26:59,660 --> 00:26:57,300
and moved around for about a minute and

684
00:27:01,670 --> 00:26:59,670
a half and eventually it just just

685
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,680
jumped and it just went directly up into

686
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:03,840
the sky and disappeared and my friend

687
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:05,250
and I kind of we kind of looked at each

688
00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:07,170
other and we were like I mean the whole

689
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:08,670
time we were completely silent we

690
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:10,110
weren't talking when it was happening

691
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:11,730
because it's just one of those things

692
00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:13,350
where when you're not expecting to see

693
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,430
something and then you see something

694
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:16,320
that odd you're just kind of you're

695
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:19,110
focused on it and and you know somebody

696
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:20,730
can be screaming right behind you and

697
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:22,130
you're not paying attention to your

698
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:25,080
process yeah you have you're just trying

699
00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:26,730
to figure out what's going on and then

700
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:28,230
as soon as it stopped we kind of looked

701
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,140
at each other we were like what was that

702
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,900
and my friend was like I decided to go

703
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,340
to bed I don't know if he was just like

704
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,960
freaked out by it or not but

705
00:27:40,639 --> 00:27:39,000
I ended up going to bed and I stayed out

706
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:40,649
in the living room just watching the

707
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,690
skies for the rest of the evening didn't

708
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:44,399
see anything the rest of the evening but

709
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:45,809
it was one of those things where you

710
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:47,190
know this is a little bit this happened

711
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:48,450
to me a little bit later in my life and

712
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,370
this has happened to me after you know I

713
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,559
grew up in a open-minded household where

714
00:27:56,899 --> 00:27:55,260
we had a lot of books and were you know

715
00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:56,909
watched unsolved mysteries every night

716
00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:58,710
and everything so I was like it was one

717
00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:00,870
of those things where I wasn't afraid of

718
00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:02,190
it but I was like man I want this thing

719
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:04,350
to come back what the heck was that and

720
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,570
it happened and you know talk to some

721
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,279
talk to the friends who were who were

722
00:28:11,779 --> 00:28:10,080
what ended up going to bed and talk to

723
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:11,789
them in the morning about it and they

724
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:13,890
were just like I'm sure you go who knows

725
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:15,720
me it was probably nothing that sort of

726
00:28:17,659 --> 00:28:16,289
situation

727
00:28:19,399 --> 00:28:17,669
but it always kind of you know obviously

728
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:19,409
it always stuck with me and it kind of

729
00:28:24,289 --> 00:28:21,659
it was one of those small things that I

730
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:24,299
felt blessed to have been to see

731
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:26,250
something now who knows what it was it

732
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:28,020
could have been I could have just been

733
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:30,620
going crazy it could have been anything

734
00:28:36,139 --> 00:28:33,630
but I was happy that I saw it because it

735
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:36,149
almost kind of gave me like vindication

736
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:38,850
somehow there is weird stuff out there

737
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:41,220
and it's so important to be open-minded

738
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:44,580
about everything and you know it's just

739
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,620
one of those things where I wish so you

740
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,600
know I'm sure like you you just want to

741
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:50,760
see it again you know yeah absolutely

742
00:28:56,029 --> 00:28:53,340
that's a good point too is that so many

743
00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:56,039
people who've had UFO sightings some of

744
00:29:00,919 --> 00:28:57,510
them wish they could see something again

745
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:00,929
and some would wish never well sure yeah

746
00:29:06,019 --> 00:29:03,480
I suppose that if like something

747
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:06,029
horrible happen and I was like you know

748
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,940
hurt or like abducted by weird lizard

749
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,500
people or something you would like

750
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:12,659
probably not be something I'd want to do

751
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:14,220
again but this was like it was more

752
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:16,110
beautiful than it was anything else yeah

753
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:18,419
that that feeling of awe you know yeah

754
00:29:22,639 --> 00:29:20,279
really can really do something to a

755
00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:22,649
person and again like you don't know if

756
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,260
this is alien you don't know if it was

757
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:26,640
weather anomaly you don't know if it was

758
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,590
military I don't either

759
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:30,720
both are sightings happened over body of

760
00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:32,630
water that I find that very interesting

761
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:35,549
um but at the same time it opened both

762
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:37,380
of us up to the possibilities out there

763
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:39,830
that there are things we can't explain

764
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:42,419
that doesn't mean other people can't

765
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:44,730
eventually explain it but we could not

766
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:46,830
at that time and it left a lasting

767
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:49,559
impact on both of our lives and I think

768
00:29:53,030 --> 00:29:50,550
that's what's most

769
00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:53,040
and that's kind of the the journey I've

770
00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:55,800
been taking as a UFO researcher is not

771
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,870
so much what the hell these things are

772
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,000
but how they're affecting people on the

773
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,970
ground and that's sure really what I try

774
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:05,760
to get to the core of in my work well

775
00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:07,650
yeah I mean you're and that's why I

776
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:09,420
really loved your book because your book

777
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:11,580
was all of these stories about people

778
00:30:16,220 --> 00:30:14,220
experiencing stuff and a lot of times it

779
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,230
was just like I have no idea what that

780
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:19,440
was you know and just like how how it

781
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:21,510
kind of I there was a few stories and

782
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:23,310
there was like you know talking you know

783
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:24,930
talking to these people and they're

784
00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:27,030
they're kind of the resolve and it was

785
00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:29,430
just like I don't know it was

786
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:31,950
interesting or if I am glad that I saw

787
00:30:36,860 --> 00:30:34,890
it but who knows and there's so much

788
00:30:40,550 --> 00:30:36,870
confidence and there's so much like I'm

789
00:30:42,260 --> 00:30:40,560
sure of this in you know the UFO field

790
00:30:44,030 --> 00:30:42,270
or not even you apology or anything even

791
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:44,040
in like you could say the same about

792
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:47,010
like people who who go out and do

793
00:30:49,910 --> 00:30:48,690
cryptozoology and study Bigfoot and

794
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:49,920
stuff like that it's like there's so

795
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:53,070
much confidence in ensured 'no sin this

796
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:55,830
is absolutely real or you know this is

797
00:30:59,360 --> 00:30:57,870
this or this is that and i'm always one

798
00:31:00,890 --> 00:30:59,370
of those people where it's like we need

799
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:00,900
to keep movin minded here we have no

800
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:03,240
idea really what it is that that's a

801
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,610
really good point man and i think now

802
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:08,340
more than ever we live in a society

803
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,550
where absolutes and extremes are sort of

804
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,640
taking over whether it's within ufology

805
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:18,000
or the paranormal or politics science

806
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:21,480
religion medicine anything yeah we're

807
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:23,310
looking at these things as I'm right

808
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:26,010
you're wrong and when it comes to the

809
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:29,670
UFO field that's when I tend to be

810
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:31,110
hesitant to listen to someone when they

811
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,150
say they have all the answers this is a

812
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:36,120
sure um that's when I say run get the

813
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,110
hell out of there

814
00:31:43,220 --> 00:31:40,320
because yeah that is that's a sign that

815
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,230
this person isn't willing to look at

816
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,240
other possibilities about what is being

817
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,980
seen in this guy or what these people

818
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:48,960
are experiencing in their bedrooms or in

819
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:52,230
their minds or or anything yeah well

820
00:31:55,460 --> 00:31:53,880
well may I ask you like after you had

821
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:55,470
your experience I mean I know that it's

822
00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:57,750
you know having a written a book and

823
00:32:02,240 --> 00:31:59,610
having a podcast about this sort of

824
00:32:03,650 --> 00:32:02,250
about the situation I'm sure that you

825
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:03,660
don't feel this way now but was there a

826
00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:04,260
time after

827
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:06,060
experience where you were shy about

828
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:08,010
telling people about it or scared that

829
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:10,020
people would think you're crazy or would

830
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,780
judge you like as a like an idiot or

831
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:15,120
like whatever after you had it because I

832
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:17,130
know that for myself I think that I was

833
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:19,860
lucky enough to have the experience that

834
00:32:24,770 --> 00:32:22,710
I had when I was older and was very firm

835
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:24,780
in my beliefs of I don't know anything

836
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:28,140
and I don't care if you think that I'm

837
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:30,690
crazy because you know less than me like

838
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,130
you weren't even there even seeing it so

839
00:32:36,410 --> 00:32:34,320
like what do you know I don't care but

840
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,420
did you have you had yours younger did

841
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:38,100
it did it really affect like did you go

842
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:39,420
out and tell a bunch of people did you

843
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:40,980
tell your you know aside from your your

844
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:43,350
father you said saw a part of it but

845
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:45,540
immediately kind of wrote it off as a

846
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:47,820
plane uh no I

847
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,250
yeah I was at a very impressionable age

848
00:32:57,260 --> 00:32:53,760
I was first of all I was terrified of

849
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,270
what I said I had nightmares oh I tried

850
00:33:02,000 --> 00:32:59,460
to push it in the back of my mind for as

851
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,010
long as I could you know again sports

852
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:04,500
took over girls took over school took

853
00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:08,790
over I tried to regress this you know it

854
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:11,160
wasn't an abduction experience it wasn't

855
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:13,770
anything like that but I saw something I

856
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,590
could not explain and I fear that no one

857
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:18,720
would believe me so I did not talk about

858
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:21,330
it until I was in probably probably my

859
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:25,380
mid-20s is when I started hearing radio

860
00:33:31,790 --> 00:33:27,990
shows and going going into the chat

861
00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:31,800
rooms back when AOL and sharing other

862
00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:35,870
people's experiences I I'd done research

863
00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:39,540
literally from age 13 and up in the

864
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:41,670
shadows I'd write a case to myself about

865
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:45,360
Roswell and Bigfoot and all of this

866
00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:47,010
stuff but I would not share it with

867
00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:49,500
anyone I was afraid of that ridicule

868
00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:51,030
that often comes with these things but

869
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:53,520
as time progressed and I became more

870
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:55,650
comfortable with who I was as an

871
00:33:59,630 --> 00:33:57,690
individual and what I'd experienced and

872
00:34:02,150 --> 00:33:59,640
that there were so many other goddamn

873
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:02,160
people seeing these things I became more

874
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,170
comfortable and I started to embrace it

875
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:05,760
and I think that's what a lot of people

876
00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:08,370
are doing now they these topics aren't

877
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,159
as ridiculed any longer they're becoming

878
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:13,500
more accepted even by the mainstream I

879
00:34:17,379 --> 00:34:15,929
would say in some respects that's when

880
00:34:19,539 --> 00:34:17,389
you could not shut me up dude

881
00:34:22,569 --> 00:34:19,549
I started you know shouting it from the

882
00:34:25,419 --> 00:34:22,579
rooftops like UFOs are real I saw this

883
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:25,429
these people saw this and it kind of

884
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:27,049
just snowballed from there to the point

885
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:30,710
now where I will go out and seek seek

886
00:34:33,759 --> 00:34:32,480
people out and say do not use a

887
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:33,769
pseudonym when you come forward with

888
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:36,169
this embrace it you know picture I'm

889
00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:37,970
worried about losing their jobs or their

890
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:39,889
you know their respect in their

891
00:34:44,109 --> 00:34:42,230
community but if we have people hiding

892
00:34:46,029 --> 00:34:44,119
behind pseudonyms when they're having

893
00:34:48,759 --> 00:34:46,039
these experiences it's not moving us

894
00:34:51,789 --> 00:34:48,769
forward in that exception I think so I'm

895
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:51,799
all about transparency and just get that

896
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:54,049
weird bizarre [\h__\h] out there because

897
00:34:58,029 --> 00:34:55,669
that's what I'm really going to start

898
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:58,039
listening see all that sounds like to me

899
00:35:02,289 --> 00:35:00,170
is that you didn't talk about it and

900
00:35:04,329 --> 00:35:02,299
then you became that really annoying guy

901
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:04,339
who that's all you did oh my gosh

902
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:07,369
talking you could there's like everybody

903
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:09,230
with everybody who's probably like man

904
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:11,150
Ryan watches like a couple episodes of

905
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:13,250
x-files and he's a real like Mulder over

906
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:16,609
here so oh my god my parents were so

907
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,240
worried about me great trust me but now

908
00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:22,880
they see that it is a topic that many

909
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:25,430
people take seriously and I could not

910
00:35:29,799 --> 00:35:27,230
ask for a better support system if your

911
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:29,809
parents can support you in becoming a

912
00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:32,930
ufologist sure you know you struck gold

913
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:35,269
with the parentals for sure yeah yeah I

914
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,890
mean like how liberating of a feeling

915
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:38,960
that must have been being able to you

916
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:40,970
know not only write and release a book

917
00:35:45,849 --> 00:35:42,950
but they start a podcast where you're

918
00:35:47,859 --> 00:35:45,859
able to it's it's nice I'm just glad

919
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:47,869
that that 12 year old boy was able to

920
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,420
get all of this off of his chest and be

921
00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:52,640
able to embrace it and and talk to other

922
00:35:57,249 --> 00:35:54,829
people you know because I can't imagine

923
00:35:59,410 --> 00:35:57,259
going through something even whether or

924
00:36:00,940 --> 00:35:59,420
not it was you know it would no matter

925
00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:00,950
even if it wasn't an abduction or

926
00:36:03,370 --> 00:36:01,460
anything like that

927
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:03,380
it was something that obviously meant a

928
00:36:07,569 --> 00:36:05,720
huge deal to you was frightening and the

929
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,579
fact that you're able to now embrace

930
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:08,960
that and talk to other like-minded

931
00:36:12,579 --> 00:36:10,730
individuals about it who have had

932
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:12,589
similar experiences that's a really

933
00:36:16,539 --> 00:36:14,390
important thing and you know you're

934
00:36:18,339 --> 00:36:16,549
you're you've gone and you're continuing

935
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:18,349
to go above and beyond and helping I'm

936
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,450
sure other people out especially you

937
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:22,640
know now with your podcasts younger

938
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:23,990
people who are potentially having

939
00:36:28,299 --> 00:36:25,940
experiences now being able to break free

940
00:36:30,099 --> 00:36:28,309
from thinking that they're going to be

941
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:30,109
ridiculed and being able to talk to them

942
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:30,690
and

943
00:36:40,819 --> 00:36:38,490
men that like even when it comes to the

944
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,829
horror genre this isn't a lot of people

945
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:43,520
don't look at this genre of films as

946
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:46,170
important as something to really ponder

947
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:48,390
it's just there for entertainment sake

948
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,910
or shock value and that's it but you and

949
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,160
I and your listeners all know that I

950
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:54,960
don't think there's another film genre

951
00:37:00,020 --> 00:36:56,910
out there that has more of a societal

952
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:00,030
impact and commentary than the genre

953
00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:02,430
poorer so I think it could definitely be

954
00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:05,550
said the same for what you do as well

955
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:07,859
that people are seeing that people like

956
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:09,810
you people like me are into these things

957
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:13,740
or normal credible dudes you know for

958
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:15,780
the most part yeah yeah I don't give a

959
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:19,859
GS credit but we all yes but that you

960
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:22,020
can comfortably talk about these things

961
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:25,470
and find a deeper meaning behind them

962
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:28,200
you know what I do is interesting little

963
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:29,970
green men what you do isn't just about

964
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:32,250
blood and gore there's so much more to

965
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:33,990
it and there's so much more to be

966
00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:35,430
gleaned from that and I think that's

967
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:37,109
what's very important and what

968
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:39,210
ultimately brought you and I together

969
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:41,430
definitely well that's a really good

970
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:44,310
segue into discussing you know getting

971
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:45,990
into discussing the movie that we both

972
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,810
watched and we'll both have had a

973
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:51,599
history with in the past that being fire

974
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:52,290
in the sky

975
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:54,380
Oh does it seem

976
00:38:02,480 --> 00:37:55,710
[Music]

977
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:02,490
what makes it noon why does it breathe

978
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:05,550
questions anyone would ask about a man

979
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:07,690
if they'd never seen

980
00:38:23,070 --> 00:38:11,250
[Music]

981
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:23,080
so five days was borrowed time is rollin

982
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:28,410
and five other witnesses told so

983
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:31,390
unimaginable that it has become the most

984
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:34,300
famous case of a UFO abduction ever

985
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:40,260
now what exactly how did you when did

986
00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:42,190
when did you first watch this this film

987
00:38:45,390 --> 00:38:43,960
like do you remember the first time you

988
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:45,400
ever did or how old you were any better

989
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:50,790
so this came out in what was it 1993

990
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:54,720
1993 March 12th 1993 got it so I

991
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:57,490
probably saw it I did not see it in

992
00:39:00,780 --> 00:38:58,570
theaters I probably saw it a couple

993
00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:00,790
years after when it first hit like HBO

994
00:39:05,730 --> 00:39:02,860
or one of those those stations I

995
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:05,740
remember I distinctly remember I was on

996
00:39:13,770 --> 00:39:09,030
vacation with a good buddy of mine in

997
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:13,780
South Carolina and it was on TV and the

998
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:17,470
moment I saw this beam come down and hit

999
00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:21,310
this dude I flipped out sure my friend

1000
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,840
is like what the hell's going on with

1001
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:24,960
Ryan he's like cowering in the corner

1002
00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:28,450
again it was it like PTSD or anything

1003
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:31,480
like that but the whole topic of alien

1004
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:33,310
abduction was something I'd heard of but

1005
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:36,010
never really looked into even though I

1006
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:37,480
had a keen interest in the UFO

1007
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:40,480
phenomenon that one aspect that I kind

1008
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:43,210
of shied away from it was it was very

1009
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:45,610
out there it was terrifying to think of

1010
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:48,190
yeah and then when I heard that this was

1011
00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:50,410
based on a true story dude that was that

1012
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:52,060
was it for me I did not want anything to

1013
00:39:57,690 --> 00:39:54,940
do with this movie as long as I could

1014
00:40:00,240 --> 00:39:57,700
remember and it wasn't until many many

1015
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:00,250
years later when I actually sat down and

1016
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:03,310
watched the entire thing oh wow okay

1017
00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:06,460
yeah I mean that is I mean aside from

1018
00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:07,840
you and you know obviously your

1019
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:10,300
experience before you had to be you know

1020
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:11,350
before you watch this film

1021
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:13,810
well actually was it before uh this no

1022
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:16,630
this was okay that's okay after that

1023
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:18,220
that's a lot better it was your age

1024
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:20,830
you're close but it was active yeah okay

1025
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:23,410
so you know at least my experience in

1026
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,310
this was this is

1027
00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:27,520
one of those movies to where my dad I my

1028
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:29,560
dad would always and after all the kids

1029
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:31,150
would go to bed my dad would then watch

1030
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:32,650
all of his movies out in the living room

1031
00:40:37,470 --> 00:40:34,630
because it was stuff like horror movies

1032
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:37,480
or action movies just stuff that you you

1033
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:39,070
didn't want the kids to see you know so

1034
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:41,140
which means that those are the movies

1035
00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:42,430
that your kids are going to sneak out of

1036
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:44,260
their bedroom and they're going to hang

1037
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:47,650
out in the hallways and watch the movies

1038
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:49,630
without you without the parents knowing

1039
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:52,030
so unfortunately fire in the sky was one

1040
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:53,860
of those that I did that form and I

1041
00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:55,630
successfully sneaked out of my room and

1042
00:41:00,090 --> 00:40:57,190
started watching immediately once he

1043
00:41:01,430 --> 00:41:00,100
wasn't the the abduction part it was the

1044
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:01,440
part where they were doing the

1045
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:05,050
experiments on him which is still it's a

1046
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:08,530
very very shocking very very scary scene

1047
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:13,120
and it it honestly like even being a kid

1048
00:41:17,340 --> 00:41:15,850
who was very interested in UFOs and all

1049
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:17,350
that sort of stuff and just weird stuff

1050
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:19,900
in horror movies it really was the first

1051
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:24,220
movie that just screwed me up where you

1052
00:41:27,330 --> 00:41:26,200
know after that four years was like well

1053
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:27,340
looks like I'm going to get abducted

1054
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:29,770
tonight every time was like I know

1055
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:31,900
they're out there somewhere so let's get

1056
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:33,670
it over with one of those situations and

1057
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:35,650
it was one of those movies that was

1058
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:38,380
played a lot on HBO and Cinemax in all

1059
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:41,080
the movie channels it like we had said

1060
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:43,960
it was released in March 12 1993 it the

1061
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:45,820
budget was 15 million for it and it

1062
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,070
ended up making that back with twenty

1063
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,520
million dollars it made so it was you

1064
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:53,680
know especially at that time you know it

1065
00:42:00,000 --> 00:41:56,230
was not really it made the money back

1066
00:42:02,610 --> 00:42:00,010
but no much yeah where they were like

1067
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:02,620
supers you know that's it may probably

1068
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:04,330
made most of his money later on when

1069
00:42:07,890 --> 00:42:06,040
they ended up like doing you know

1070
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:07,900
releasing it on DVD after all the

1071
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,640
scarred children who watched it on HBO

1072
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:11,200
or something like that like I eventually

1073
00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:13,210
grew up and started loving it right it

1074
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:14,980
wasn't by any means like it was kind of

1075
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:16,900
like what was that movie that was based

1076
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:18,910
on well communion right wasn't that the

1077
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:20,290
whitley strieber movie did you ever

1078
00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:23,050
watch that yes yeah what a weird strange

1079
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:26,920
movie dude yes okay much so yeah I mean

1080
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:30,550
the the book is strange enough and I

1081
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:32,260
love that book again Whitley Street

1082
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:34,330
birth one of the best horror novelists

1083
00:42:37,590 --> 00:42:36,940
out there who had supposedly a genuine

1084
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:37,600
abduction

1085
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:41,740
and experiences but yeah running and

1086
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:43,570
then we got the movie version with uh

1087
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:48,910
mr. cowbell who just made it all that

1088
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:52,150
much more weird so yes yeah but yeah but

1089
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:54,250
you know in the main difference between

1090
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:55,810
like a movie like communion in a movie

1091
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:57,930
like fairness guys communion was

1092
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,400
interesting and there were were some

1093
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:03,280
very eerie creepy parts but not nearly

1094
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:06,850
as extreme as the very Kratt like crazy

1095
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:08,770
scary parts and fire in the sky which I

1096
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:10,960
think goes to your point about find this

1097
00:43:14,910 --> 00:43:12,820
guy really being not just a sci-fi movie

1098
00:43:16,890 --> 00:43:14,920
but more like a horror sci-fi type of

1099
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:16,900
movie kind of like you know you know

1100
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,250
another movie that would be really great

1101
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:21,520
in that category event horizon yes yes

1102
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:22,930
that's a very good comparison like

1103
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:26,290
sci-fi movie but damn that movie is a

1104
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:28,330
horror movie it's scary it's a gory it's

1105
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:30,850
it's like it's great that way I think so

1106
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:32,440
when you can cross genres like that you

1107
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:34,210
know you've done something right you're

1108
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:36,430
sort of pioneering a whole new genre and

1109
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:39,070
I think these two can interplay very

1110
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:40,810
well together so I find horror they have

1111
00:43:46,770 --> 00:43:44,380
many aspects in common we often fear the

1112
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:46,780
fiction that is soon to become science

1113
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:49,480
fact and I think there's a lot to be

1114
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:51,880
said for that as well and you know in

1115
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:54,100
terms of fire in the sky what I think is

1116
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:55,870
the most horrifying aspect of this film

1117
00:44:01,050 --> 00:43:58,720
based on a true story is that it was a

1118
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:01,060
true story and that there were witnesses

1119
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:03,190
something like yeah communion this is

1120
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:05,380
you know one man's testimony of what

1121
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:07,960
happened to him whereas this we have

1122
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:10,630
what is it four or five other people who

1123
00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:13,870
were there seeing this happen documented

1124
00:44:19,530 --> 00:44:16,540
I believe there was a group of six in

1125
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,540
the in a book version but I think in the

1126
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:21,280
film version they only there was a group

1127
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:23,410
of five yes I believe you're right they

1128
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:25,690
put two people together I think four

1129
00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:29,680
yeah well yeah no that and like you said

1130
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:31,900
I mean you yeah I mean you know the

1131
00:44:35,970 --> 00:44:34,330
movie is scary enough but like once you

1132
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:35,980
realize or once you hear that it was

1133
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:38,050
based on the true story whether or not

1134
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,970
it you know like and we can talk about

1135
00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:41,200
the differences between the book in the

1136
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:44,590
film regardless of how accurate it was

1137
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:47,260
to the true story just hearing based off

1138
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:49,690
of a true story puts so much more fear

1139
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:51,160
in you

1140
00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:54,160
just wondering like what parts are based

1141
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:56,380
off of the true story and like what the

1142
00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:59,290
hell you know so as many I'm sure as

1143
00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:01,120
both you know the the listeners of your

1144
00:45:05,550 --> 00:45:02,920
show or the listeners is my show would

1145
00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:05,560
probably already know fire this guy is a

1146
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:08,020
book about the alien abduction or the

1147
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:11,290
abduction case of Travis Walton who was

1148
00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:15,280
a logger in snowflake Arizona in the mid

1149
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:18,310
70s I believe is 75 and him and his crew

1150
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:22,240
went up a to do some I believe it was

1151
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:23,740
like clear-cutting for the four on a

1152
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:26,710
government contract and they were in the

1153
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:28,450
White Mountains and near the end of the

1154
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:30,550
t near the end of the day the all the

1155
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:32,710
guys kind of got back in their truck and

1156
00:45:36,930 --> 00:45:34,030
we're heading down from the mountain

1157
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:36,940
back home and they noticed like a

1158
00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:40,210
strange color strange kind of like light

1159
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:42,340
in the sky kind of you know looked like

1160
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:46,510
fire in the sky maybe we should have

1161
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:57,529
[Music]

1162
00:46:04,910 --> 00:45:59,290
I saw

1163
00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:09,730
that's one months for forest fire arm I

1164
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:14,780
ain't no fire what else could it be

1165
00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:27,190
[Music]

1166
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:29,790
Mike maples Midland you like your excess

1167
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:31,530
just pull over

1168
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:38,910
there's only one Road out of here we're

1169
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:42,130
on that's fire we can't get around we're

1170
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:58,450
starlight

1171
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:01,650
[Music]

1172
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:03,230
how you doing

1173
00:47:09,099 --> 00:47:07,220
get back in the truck and they drove

1174
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:09,109
towards it you know on the on the

1175
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:12,200
mountain road and they saw a craft there

1176
00:47:18,249 --> 00:47:14,990
and Travis was compelled to actually get

1177
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,259
out of the truck and to go under Neath

1178
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,440
the the craft and once he kind of

1179
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:23,359
started to realize that this is crazy

1180
00:47:27,609 --> 00:47:25,490
and why am I doing this he decided to

1181
00:47:29,859 --> 00:47:27,619
try to go back to the truck but at that

1182
00:47:31,749 --> 00:47:29,869
point he was struck by something that

1183
00:47:33,759 --> 00:47:31,759
what later the guys in the truck said

1184
00:47:36,430 --> 00:47:33,769
that they he was struck by a pale blue

1185
00:47:39,249 --> 00:47:36,440
beam of light and they took off and he

1186
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:39,259
blacked out after obviously how scary of

1187
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:41,690
a situation would that be is anybody in

1188
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:43,430
that truck like but you know and it's

1189
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:44,930
one of those things where both the book

1190
00:47:49,299 --> 00:47:46,609
and the movie the fact that Mike

1191
00:47:52,269 --> 00:47:49,309
Travis's friend dropped everybody off

1192
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:52,279
and went back up to try to find Travis

1193
00:47:56,799 --> 00:47:53,930
right after that happened by himself

1194
00:47:59,460 --> 00:47:56,809
that shows how much that dude is like

1195
00:48:02,620 --> 00:47:59,470
the toughest man in the world because I

1196
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,630
asked that you know that's completely

1197
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:04,400
yeah I mean that's it that's a true

1198
00:48:08,589 --> 00:48:06,200
friend there like a lot of you know

1199
00:48:10,809 --> 00:48:08,599
fault the guys for leaving when this

1200
00:48:12,789 --> 00:48:10,819
happened but if you were in those men

1201
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:12,799
shoes I mean they say fun isn't dead

1202
00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:14,569
they thought you know the world was

1203
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:17,029
being invaded by aliens like kicked the

1204
00:48:21,970 --> 00:48:18,230
hell out of there

1205
00:48:23,230 --> 00:48:21,980
ya know you stopping for we're left in

1206
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:23,240
there

1207
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:27,170
he's dead jackass we got to go back no

1208
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:35,420
what are you talking about go back don't

1209
00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:43,930
you want to go get out of these guys

1210
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:51,640
totally you know amazing that he had the

1211
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:53,270
bravery to go back and do that but he

1212
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:55,790
did he didn't find he didn't find Travis

1213
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:57,140
so he came back down the mountain they

1214
00:49:01,060 --> 00:48:58,970
eventually went into town called the

1215
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,070
police and basically the police

1216
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:03,920
automatically you know they all go up

1217
00:49:07,089 --> 00:49:05,690
back to the mountain again together with

1218
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:07,099
the police try to look around they don't

1219
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:08,810
find Travis so they just kind of assumed

1220
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,250
that there was either some sort of a

1221
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:13,280
weird accident or somebody killed Travis

1222
00:49:18,010 --> 00:49:14,900
and they're all just kind of covering it

1223
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:18,020
up with this fake UFO story

1224
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:20,420
Travis had gone for a couple weeks or

1225
00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:22,250
like seven to ten days something like

1226
00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:24,109
that yeah was it was it was a good

1227
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,580
amount of time and enough time for

1228
00:49:30,130 --> 00:49:27,920
really you know news agencies from

1229
00:49:33,339 --> 00:49:30,140
across the world to come into this small

1230
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:33,349
little Arizona town and for everybody in

1231
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:35,690
the community to really just kind of not

1232
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:37,910
trust and just blame this crew people

1233
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:40,130
for killing this guy I believe that they

1234
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:42,140
will they all took polygraph tests and

1235
00:49:45,490 --> 00:49:43,790
everybody passed except for one member

1236
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:45,500
of the crew who it wasn't because of

1237
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:48,320
anything that happened but he also had a

1238
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:50,390
warrant out for his arrest so he kind of

1239
00:49:55,420 --> 00:49:53,510
was not wanting to do the polygraph test

1240
00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:55,430
to begin with he was a liar Eli here a

1241
00:50:00,220 --> 00:49:57,500
little homage anyhow for dealing with

1242
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:00,230
the law and whatnot but I believe later

1243
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:02,450
he did actually take a polygraph tablet

1244
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,000
later in and did passed so all of the

1245
00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:07,760
crew had taken polygraph tests and

1246
00:50:13,450 --> 00:50:10,190
passed them but Travis was still missing

1247
00:50:14,770 --> 00:50:13,460
you know we they had bunch of search

1248
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:14,780
parties go up on the mountain try and

1249
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:16,760
find him and they couldn't and then just

1250
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:19,940
one night they get a call Travis's

1251
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:22,609
brother I believe gets a call and Travis

1252
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:25,310
is on the side of a road outside of town

1253
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:28,690
in a phone booth and is has appeared and

1254
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:31,730
basically says exactly the same story as

1255
00:50:36,310 --> 00:50:33,950
the rest of the guys did to the police

1256
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:36,320
without ever talking to them at that

1257
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:37,040
point

1258
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:39,230
yeah that's correct yes everything that

1259
00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:41,390
they said happened prior to him

1260
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:44,900
disappearing was 100% accurate with what

1261
00:50:50,020 --> 00:50:47,510
they testified under these lie detectors

1262
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:50,030
so very interesting in just that alone

1263
00:50:54,220 --> 00:50:52,250
just that that story right there and not

1264
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:54,230
even going into what Travis talks about

1265
00:50:57,070 --> 00:50:55,970
in the book or what the movie talks

1266
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:57,080
about afterwards

1267
00:51:01,570 --> 00:50:58,970
that's incredible enough the fact that

1268
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,580
there is a man who has who gets hit by

1269
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:03,200
this beam of light from an unknown kind

1270
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:05,060
of craft and has disappeared for that

1271
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:07,490
long and then just shows up I mean

1272
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:09,290
that's a that's a movie in itself but as

1273
00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:11,000
it turns out and this is where kind of

1274
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:13,580
the book in the movie differ a little in

1275
00:51:19,690 --> 00:51:16,010
the in the movie we see that Travis

1276
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,700
is he wakes up in a crazy kind of like

1277
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:22,160
ship type of thing to where there's you

1278
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,510
know he's like in a weird like embryonic

1279
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:26,240
bubble type situation and there's like

1280
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:29,480
dead bodies around him and which is

1281
00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:32,150
frightening as well and he gets out of

1282
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:34,190
this area and he like is kind of going

1283
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:37,070
around the ship and he finds these these

1284
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:39,230
spacesuits that basically the suits

1285
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:41,270
themselves look like how a typical gray

1286
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:42,650
alien would look where it's like a

1287
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:44,930
jumpsuit with the big almond shaped eyes

1288
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,270
and a larger head that was really cool I

1289
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,760
have to yeah man I really love that part

1290
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:51,680
about it but I I don't know I mean are

1291
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,330
you are you familiar with a lot of

1292
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,800
stories that involve that sort of a

1293
00:51:59,590 --> 00:51:56,720
thing where it's like maybe the aliens

1294
00:52:01,660 --> 00:51:59,600
themselves don't look like a gray but

1295
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:01,670
it's like something in a suit that would

1296
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:03,410
look like a gray you know Whitley

1297
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:06,530
Strieber has mentioned this in a few a

1298
00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:09,230
few chapters of his books and in

1299
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:11,480
interviews that there was no facial

1300
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,250
expression that these almost seem like

1301
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:14,960
masks that there was definitely

1302
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:18,440
something behind these emotionless guys

1303
00:52:24,550 --> 00:52:21,410
as it were so the fact that this fire in

1304
00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:24,560
the sky movie tackled this was really

1305
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:26,120
interesting to me yeah it wasn't

1306
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:27,770
something I'd really come across in any

1307
00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:30,020
other abduction experiences before is

1308
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:32,990
that these might be space suits this

1309
00:52:38,170 --> 00:52:35,420
might be how they can travel these vast

1310
00:52:40,030 --> 00:52:38,180
distances through time and space to come

1311
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:40,040
and snatch our people up now and it was

1312
00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:42,290
pretty pretty yeah cool yeah it was it

1313
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:44,540
was totally cool it's a cool little like

1314
00:52:49,420 --> 00:52:47,690
like a part of it and basically what

1315
00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:49,430
happens is when you find these suits one

1316
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,560
of the

1317
00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:52,720
in grabs him and then it's a kind of

1318
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:55,600
like a jump scene to basically the most

1319
00:52:59,580 --> 00:52:56,890
frightening one of the most frightening

1320
00:53:03,180 --> 00:52:59,590
scenes in movie history where he's

1321
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:03,190
drugged down a dirty hallway which I

1322
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:05,170
don't know like I can accept that there

1323
00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:06,970
might be extraterrestrial zipping around

1324
00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:08,920
the universe but like I think that their

1325
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:10,870
ship would be a lot cleaner like I feel

1326
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:12,850
like if they're sophisticated enough to

1327
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:15,310
figure out time in space they also know

1328
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:18,430
like pledged in a vacuum but it's like

1329
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:20,110
that's a great point the theater looks

1330
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:23,740
like a the inside of a subway yeah it'd

1331
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:26,080
be aesthetic they chose for this part of

1332
00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:29,140
the movie was a very bold choice yeah

1333
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,240
again you have to wonder whose decision

1334
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:33,760
this really came down to to make it so

1335
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:35,350
much different from Travis Waltons

1336
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:37,270
actual experience again we'll get into

1337
00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:39,730
that but uh like you said it looked very

1338
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:42,580
primitive very cavernous got these

1339
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,070
decaying bodies in these almost like

1340
00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:48,160
cobweb haunted house yes the things

1341
00:53:53,340 --> 00:53:50,500
throughout I felt more like I was in

1342
00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:53,350
Dracula's castle then yeah super

1343
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,080
advanced UFO you know traveling through

1344
00:54:00,750 --> 00:53:58,240
space well you know it's funny do you

1345
00:54:01,890 --> 00:54:00,760
remember your your are right around the

1346
00:54:03,930 --> 00:54:01,900
same age as me do you remember the

1347
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:03,940
videogame earthworm jim yeah absolutely

1348
00:54:08,550 --> 00:54:06,370
okay so these aliens look like earthworm

1349
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:08,560
jims basically and it shows them like

1350
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:11,020
basically carrying him through the ship

1351
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:12,610
or dragging him through the ship and

1352
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:13,720
they put him on a gurney

1353
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,030
and then they basically just start doing

1354
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:17,680
like the worst experiments on him were

1355
00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:19,180
there like putting a needle in his eye

1356
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:21,340
and they're like lasering his teeth and

1357
00:54:25,890 --> 00:54:22,930
they have some sort of a weird like like

1358
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:25,900
membrane over it oh just like a scare

1359
00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:28,420
and just like the visual like of just

1360
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:31,390
what's happening to him is just so

1361
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:34,210
shocking and like just creepy as hell

1362
00:54:38,610 --> 00:54:36,490
and you know it kind of stops at that

1363
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:38,620
point and it kind of goes that you know

1364
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:41,530
to him being back at home and like

1365
00:54:47,610 --> 00:54:44,350
basically coming to grips with what

1366
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:47,620
happened and being just having PTSD and

1367
00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:49,660
just being like stressed out to where he

1368
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:51,460
can't function very well as a normal

1369
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:52,930
human being for a while which yeah

1370
00:54:58,620 --> 00:54:55,720
totally you know so I guess the

1371
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:58,630
difference between that part in in in

1372
00:55:02,970 --> 00:55:00,670
what Travis actually says happened in

1373
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:02,980
the book is he did apparently come

1374
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:04,290
across a cup

1375
00:55:11,570 --> 00:55:08,970
gray alien type looking beings initially

1376
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:11,580
but after being able to kind of fend

1377
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,130
them off with a long cylindrical kind of

1378
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:16,200
like tube sort of thing he's able to

1379
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:18,870
walk through a ship and eventually comes

1380
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:21,470
across what looks to be like a like a

1381
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:25,140
Nordic alien a blond-haired kind of like

1382
00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:27,270
dazzling like gold eyes kind of being

1383
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:30,600
who is able to relax him which a you

1384
00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:32,490
know a parent you know as as you and I

1385
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:34,950
both know seems to be a common kind of a

1386
00:55:39,380 --> 00:55:37,470
thing where it may totally make sense if

1387
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:39,390
you want something to calm down like

1388
00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:41,310
show a human looking thing like not a

1389
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:43,950
crazy grey alien or a lizard person you

1390
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:45,540
know like but he's basically brought

1391
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:47,970
into this kind of almost taken out of

1392
00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:49,530
the craft and brought into a weird

1393
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:52,350
hangar that has different crafts in it

1394
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:55,530
and meets more of these humanoid-looking

1395
00:56:00,020 --> 00:55:58,260
beings who end up putting a like it

1396
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:00,030
almost looks like an oxygen mask not

1397
00:56:03,830 --> 00:56:02,190
attached anything over his mouth and

1398
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:03,840
then he passes out that way and and

1399
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:05,850
blacks out I mean there's other things

1400
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:07,500
that happen as well but like when it

1401
00:56:11,810 --> 00:56:10,170
comes to the actual meat potatoes of the

1402
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:11,820
alien experience

1403
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,700
it's nothing shocking to him as far as

1404
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:17,040
being on a like basically like on a

1405
00:56:20,270 --> 00:56:18,240
gurney and getting all these weird

1406
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:20,280
experiments it's mostly like seeing

1407
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:22,230
these weird beings at first but then

1408
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,810
being comforted and brought into

1409
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:26,220
different areas by these more

1410
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:29,010
humanoid-looking beings yes yeah his

1411
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:31,950
story does vary a lot from the movie um

1412
00:56:37,090 --> 00:56:34,500
you know let-let's I guess let's look at

1413
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:37,100
the screenplay by Tracy torment I know

1414
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:40,830
I've I've spoken to Torme personally and

1415
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:43,290
I've heard him on interviews you know

1416
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:46,560
even in Travis's book he praises Tracy

1417
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Torme for how trusting he was you know

1418
00:56:54,890 --> 00:56:53,010
of Travis that Travis was telling the

1419
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:54,900
truth that this all actually happened

1420
00:57:00,800 --> 00:56:57,330
and vice-versa that Travis could trust

1421
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,810
Tracy with his story now as time went on

1422
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:03,150
and more money was being put into this

1423
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:05,220
project by a paramount

1424
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:07,530
you know this stuff happens we know it

1425
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:10,530
happens that's Hollywood and what what

1426
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:13,140
ended up happening was Tracy wrote

1427
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:16,650
Travis's complete accurate story into

1428
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:18,180
the screenplay and then another

1429
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:21,120
movie came out where the Grey's were

1430
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,130
featured in this movie an abduction

1431
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,680
scenario occurred and it was identical

1432
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:26,880
to Oh

1433
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:29,100
basically what Travis had experienced he

1434
00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:30,990
tells Travis we've got a problem we've

1435
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,190
got a big Wow

1436
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:34,980
the execs are they're flipping out like

1437
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:37,500
we need to do something here how do we

1438
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:40,290
change this and the decision that they

1439
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:43,410
both came to apparently was let's let's

1440
00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:45,570
focus more on what you were feeling at

1441
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:47,430
that time Travis what you know what you

1442
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:49,650
was going through your head what what

1443
00:57:53,570 --> 00:57:51,540
were you feeling and Travis the one

1444
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:53,580
thing he kept coming back to was he felt

1445
00:58:00,800 --> 00:57:57,600
both terrified and in almost like a

1446
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:00,810
suffocation like the room was you know

1447
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:03,210
getting smaller and smaller and that he

1448
00:58:07,550 --> 00:58:05,250
was he was obviously terrified and so

1449
00:58:08,810 --> 00:58:07,560
helpless so what they did is they went

1450
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:08,820
back to the screenplay

1451
00:58:15,980 --> 00:58:11,990
they eventually created this more horror

1452
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:15,990
aspect that we see and really took what

1453
00:58:21,020 --> 00:58:18,630
he said that that fear and that feeling

1454
00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:21,030
of suffocation and put that into it now

1455
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:24,270
Travis was not too happy with what they

1456
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:26,610
eventually came up with but he does say

1457
00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:29,160
that the feeling is there what he felt

1458
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:31,380
is there on the screen and he thinks

1459
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:33,330
that's what's most important essential

1460
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:35,430
you know it that is actually very

1461
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:37,230
interesting I I didn't know that I've

1462
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:40,020
watched I've been at a couple lectures

1463
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:41,940
that Travis has done about his

1464
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:44,220
experience and it seems like one was

1465
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:45,960
probably about four or five years ago

1466
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:47,460
the last one was a couple years ago and

1467
00:58:51,620 --> 00:58:49,530
it seemed like even just a couple years

1468
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:51,630
in between he'd come to grips a lot more

1469
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:53,750
with how the movie portrayed it and

1470
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:57,870
brought more of the movie movie scenes

1471
00:59:03,110 --> 00:59:00,900
into his in his presentation definitely

1472
00:59:05,690 --> 00:59:03,120
still went out of his way to explain the

1473
00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:05,700
differences between the two and what was

1474
00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:07,590
changed but didn't really get into a lot

1475
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:09,840
of details of why it changed so hearing

1476
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:11,610
that a little bit that in the bat that

1477
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,260
what was going on the background totally

1478
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:15,180
helps me to understand exactly I was you

1479
00:59:18,790 --> 00:59:17,130
know like how he's feeling I I think I

1480
00:59:21,260 --> 00:59:18,800
think so man that's a good point because

1481
00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:21,270
instead of spending the rest of his life

1482
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:23,790
you know arguing what the movie did as

1483
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:25,260
opposed to what actually happened to him

1484
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:27,090
like you said he's come to grips and

1485
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:30,450
he's also had new revelations of you

1486
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:31,670
know that they they

1487
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:34,250
abduct him to do these horrific

1488
00:59:39,609 --> 00:59:36,530
experiments but that when he was shot

1489
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:39,619
with his beam they did ultimately kill

1490
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,559
him and or injure him very badly and

1491
00:59:47,970 --> 00:59:44,839
that the reason they took him up into

1492
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:47,980
the ship was to repair him and that is

1493
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:50,030
fascinating to me I heard you give this

1494
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,750
lecture

1495
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:52,960
this past February where he said I

1496
00:59:58,930 --> 00:59:56,089
honestly think that the only reason that

1497
01:00:00,460 --> 00:59:58,940
I was taken was they were going to fix

1498
01:00:02,410 --> 01:00:00,470
the mistake that they had done to me

1499
01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:02,420
they did not mean to hurt me

1500
01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:05,270
it was a defense mechanism and that's

1501
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:07,430
that so I think it's interesting that

1502
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:09,049
this case happened so long ago

1503
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:11,630
he has never really wavered from his

1504
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:14,630
original story but that is still having

1505
01:00:20,859 --> 01:00:17,510
revelations it's fascinating to me yeah

1506
01:00:23,470 --> 01:00:20,869
the just in general I mean Travis mr.

1507
01:00:25,630 --> 01:00:23,480
walden is a really I was able to at

1508
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:25,640
least one of the times that I I saw him

1509
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:28,670
speak I was able to meet him and chat

1510
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:30,710
with him very briefly really nice guy

1511
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:32,809
like and you know he you know I grew up

1512
01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:35,420
in pretty much like on the very west

1513
01:00:39,549 --> 01:00:37,700
coast northwest coast of Oregon in the

1514
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:39,559
middle of nowhere outside of a little

1515
01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:41,630
town called Astoria our claim to fame

1516
01:00:47,530 --> 01:00:43,790
was that's where the movie Goonies was

1517
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:47,540
was filmed okay and what are we have two

1518
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:50,450
basically two types of work there

1519
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:53,720
logging and fishing and speaking with

1520
01:00:58,539 --> 01:00:55,430
Travis even just for a short amount of

1521
01:01:01,930 --> 01:00:58,549
time he's exactly the same type of guy

1522
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:01,940
that I you know like my uncles were that

1523
01:01:05,980 --> 01:01:04,880
my my friend's dad's were they're like

1524
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:05,990
these kind of like very

1525
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:09,049
salt-of-the-earth straightforward guys

1526
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:11,450
that like you know aren't going out

1527
01:01:15,130 --> 01:01:13,790
trying to make up a story to get you

1528
01:01:15,730 --> 01:01:15,140
know like they're they don't want the

1529
01:01:17,799 --> 01:01:15,740
attention

1530
01:01:21,069 --> 01:01:17,809
they're very much not those guys at all

1531
01:01:22,809 --> 01:01:21,079
and you can tell that anytime that you

1532
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:22,819
you can tell that in reading his book

1533
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,250
you can you know tell that in in going

1534
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:27,200
and see him speak and talking to him and

1535
01:01:32,589 --> 01:01:30,650
and it makes me really appreciate the

1536
01:01:34,329 --> 01:01:32,599
fact that they changed had to change the

1537
01:01:37,630 --> 01:01:34,339
movie around I like that because what it

1538
01:01:40,510 --> 01:01:37,640
did is it created a scary scary movie

1539
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:40,520
for me to grow up to and enjoy but it

1540
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:43,970
also gave me a different story the real

1541
01:01:47,350 --> 01:01:45,290
story in the

1542
01:01:51,130 --> 01:01:47,360
book that I also can sit back and read

1543
01:01:54,550 --> 01:01:51,140
and enjoy too so out of one experience I

1544
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:54,560
got two great great pieces great things

1545
01:01:59,020 --> 01:01:56,990
to me that I enjoy a lot out of and I

1546
01:02:00,520 --> 01:01:59,030
know that you know he had he had his way

1547
01:02:03,220 --> 01:02:00,530
he probably would have just wanted his

1548
01:02:04,990 --> 01:02:03,230
story out and you know had had that you

1549
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:05,000
know what actually happened in the movie

1550
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:07,010
but he seems pretty like light-hearted

1551
01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:09,950
at this point about the movie and it's

1552
01:02:13,150 --> 01:02:11,480
to the point to where I was like hey I

1553
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:13,160
just want to let you know sir like I

1554
01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:15,650
really love your book and everything and

1555
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:16,790
it was just like I watched your movie

1556
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:18,770
when I was like five years old and I've

1557
01:02:22,690 --> 01:02:21,140
been scarred since and he's like yeah I

1558
01:02:26,290 --> 01:02:22,700
hear you I understand it wasn't fun for

1559
01:02:29,110 --> 01:02:26,300
me either I guess yeah I was like I can

1560
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:29,120
imagine yeah oh you know yours are okay

1561
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,090
yeah yeah but I was just like but but it

1562
01:02:35,980 --> 01:02:34,160
you know it helped me to really

1563
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:35,990
appreciate both of the movie in the film

1564
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:37,970
that much more just being able to see

1565
01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:39,830
him talk and be able to shake his hand

1566
01:02:44,860 --> 01:02:41,900
and speak with him a little so I think

1567
01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:44,870
so and the movie only got this case more

1568
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:47,750
exposure and I do consider this one of

1569
01:02:54,810 --> 01:02:51,920
the most credible abduction stories out

1570
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:54,820
there like you said Travis Walton is

1571
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:57,170
there there's a lot of misconceptions

1572
01:03:00,010 --> 01:02:58,490
about people who claim abduction

1573
01:03:03,370 --> 01:03:00,020
experiences first of all they're all

1574
01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:03,380
dumb Hicks you know out in the woods we

1575
01:03:07,570 --> 01:03:05,480
hear this all the time this cliche now

1576
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:07,580
Travis was a longer yes he lived in a

1577
01:03:12,130 --> 01:03:09,890
small town in Arizona but this is one of

1578
01:03:14,170 --> 01:03:12,140
the most intelligent people I bet that's

1579
01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:14,180
a me like you said you got to talk to

1580
01:03:19,150 --> 01:03:16,910
him as well he is so damn smart he is

1581
01:03:21,220 --> 01:03:19,160
well-spoken he is articulate he is

1582
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:21,230
talented as hell the dude plays guitar

1583
01:03:27,610 --> 01:03:23,210
like nobody's business

1584
01:03:30,190 --> 01:03:27,620
no no he also doesn't age and is a

1585
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:30,200
really weird observation but the guy

1586
01:03:36,490 --> 01:03:33,560
doesn't look a day over like 40 and he's

1587
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:36,500
like 6-8 now or something ridiculous

1588
01:03:42,220 --> 01:03:39,290
it's crazy and you gotta wonder like

1589
01:03:44,410 --> 01:03:42,230
yeah if they did repair him he's a

1590
01:03:48,010 --> 01:03:44,420
little they repaired him a little too

1591
01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:48,020
well little too good yeah but uh but

1592
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:49,670
yeah like you said you can appreciate

1593
01:03:53,500 --> 01:03:51,890
both aspects both the movie and the book

1594
01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:53,510
for different reasons but when it comes

1595
01:03:58,720 --> 01:03:56,990
down to I think is this is a case about

1596
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:58,730
alien abduction that

1597
01:04:03,609 --> 01:04:01,220
never go away that has been tested and

1598
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:03,619
challenged time and time and time again

1599
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:07,090
and it always comes up in every

1600
01:04:12,220 --> 01:04:10,130
conversation of oh yeah I honestly

1601
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:12,230
believe that happened to this guy for

1602
01:04:15,609 --> 01:04:14,000
anybody like and that's a thing like

1603
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:15,619
that it's one of those like you said

1604
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,330
it's one of those stories that if you

1605
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,000
have people that find out oh you're into

1606
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:22,160
that sort of stuff you're into you know

1607
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:24,890
UFOs and aliens or anything it's the one

1608
01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:27,050
case that one of the one cases you can

1609
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:28,670
be like why don't you like if you're

1610
01:04:32,109 --> 01:04:30,470
interested in any of this read about

1611
01:04:34,359 --> 01:04:32,119
this case read about the Travis wild

1612
01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:34,369
experience and and after that if you're

1613
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:35,990
still interested let's talk more because

1614
01:04:41,020 --> 01:04:38,210
it's a really great like if if a person

1615
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:41,030
is coming to you and in their in an

1616
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:43,190
honest way asking you about something

1617
01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:45,290
and not just trying to give you [\h__\h]

1618
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:47,420
about being into something if they can

1619
01:04:51,849 --> 01:04:50,390
honestly read or look into that and it

1620
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:51,859
doesn't interest them or it doesn't like

1621
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,890
strike them as oh this this is this

1622
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:56,480
could potentially have happen or this

1623
01:05:00,010 --> 01:04:58,250
wow there's a lot of there's a lot of

1624
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:00,020
evidence there's a lot of you know data

1625
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,210
to this then if you can't if you can't

1626
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:04,640
jive with that then you're probably not

1627
01:05:09,450 --> 01:05:07,520
worth talking to firm you know like I

1628
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:09,460
can't do much better than that you know

1629
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:12,650
until until until some at some point an

1630
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:15,050
alien comes down and literally like

1631
01:05:18,340 --> 01:05:16,970
shakes hands with people on national

1632
01:05:20,410 --> 01:05:18,350
television even then I don't think

1633
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:20,420
anybody would really believe it but I

1634
01:05:24,700 --> 01:05:22,310
mean there's only so much we can do at

1635
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,710
that point with what we have in in into

1636
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:27,200
the cases that we have and and you know

1637
01:05:32,620 --> 01:05:29,990
one where you have so much info and and

1638
01:05:35,470 --> 01:05:32,630
in polygraph tests and all of that and

1639
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:35,480
just like a really earnest and just

1640
01:05:40,690 --> 01:05:38,210
quiet soft-spoken you know man who I can

1641
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:40,700
imagine now he's being able to actually

1642
01:05:46,030 --> 01:05:43,490
go out and meet people and and and talk

1643
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:46,040
about it experience but how how hellish

1644
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:48,170
must have life have been in those years

1645
01:05:52,750 --> 01:05:50,450
between the movie and stuff or people

1646
01:05:53,890 --> 01:05:52,760
just either continue to think that this

1647
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,900
all was happening because they were

1648
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,000
trying to make money off of tabloids or

1649
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,680
any of that kind of stuff or the fact

1650
01:06:01,030 --> 01:05:58,880
that everybody just thought he was crazy

1651
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:01,040
you know like no but nobody wants that

1652
01:06:04,690 --> 01:06:03,410
no one would ever want that you know no

1653
01:06:06,310 --> 01:06:04,700
one's going to think about the long game

1654
01:06:08,410 --> 01:06:06,320
that much was like well I don't know in

1655
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:08,420
about 30 years I'm going to be able to

1656
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:10,010
talk I'm going to be able to talk for

1657
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:11,630
free at have a UFO convention you know

1658
01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:12,110
it's like now

1659
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:14,510
okay no first of all well you bring up

1660
01:06:18,700 --> 01:06:16,970
two good points the first one being the

1661
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:18,710
the long game most of the people

1662
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:20,450
involved with this case this ruined

1663
01:06:24,970 --> 01:06:22,730
their lives you know some became deeply

1664
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:24,980
depressed some became alcoholics some of

1665
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:27,680
them never spoke to Travis skin but they

1666
01:06:33,820 --> 01:06:30,650
all remain steadfast that the story they

1667
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:33,830
told is what happened the second thing

1668
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:35,630
is money obviously

1669
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:38,270
Travis probably made a small bit of

1670
01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:40,610
dough off of the movie like that's sure

1671
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:42,380
that can't be debated that's Hollywood

1672
01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:45,710
they bought the rights to his story fine

1673
01:06:51,310 --> 01:06:48,500
but that's not going to last forever and

1674
01:06:54,130 --> 01:06:51,320
even when this case was happening Sammy

1675
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,140
Philip Glass the known skeptic debunker

1676
01:07:00,160 --> 01:06:56,720
he was going around each of these dudes

1677
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:00,170
saying look we will pay you so in so

1678
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:03,230
amount of dollars to uh to come forward

1679
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:05,810
and say that you made this all up like

1680
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:08,330
just get it over with now and we'll do

1681
01:07:12,850 --> 01:07:09,950
that you know and we're talking like

1682
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,860
double digits here yeah dollars none of

1683
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:14,720
them took the money they all stuck to

1684
01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:17,030
this story so that says something to me

1685
01:07:22,750 --> 01:07:19,670
for sure that this was genuine and that

1686
01:07:24,970 --> 01:07:22,760
they so much was riding on them coming

1687
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:24,980
forward with this and that to this day

1688
01:07:28,990 --> 01:07:27,050
every single one of them remain

1689
01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:29,000
steadfast that this happened it's

1690
01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:31,340
astounding to me there are so many

1691
01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:33,380
abduction accounts out there that are

1692
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:37,070
complete and utter [\h__\h] in iron I

1693
01:07:41,530 --> 01:07:40,010
can say that having interviewed hundreds

1694
01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:41,540
and hundreds of people they're either in

1695
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:44,660
denial or they are straight-up hoaxers

1696
01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:47,210
but there are cases like this one where

1697
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:51,830
I just have to sit back and say what the

1698
01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:53,960
hell is going on in this world that we

1699
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:56,660
truly don't know about it it's crazy

1700
01:08:02,800 --> 01:07:58,610
yeah it keeps me up at night keeps me up

1701
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:02,810
drinking whiskey yeah it's it's I mean

1702
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:05,660
it's unfortunate that something had like

1703
01:08:09,790 --> 01:08:07,760
this had to happen to anybody because

1704
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:09,800
obviously we would probably like nobody

1705
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,590
well I don't know maybe there are people

1706
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:14,000
out there who totally want to go through

1707
01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:15,770
this sort of experience I would say

1708
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:17,900
though that you know once you are in

1709
01:08:21,670 --> 01:08:19,370
that position of potentially being

1710
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:21,680
abducted and whatnot your your attitude

1711
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,710
might change on that pretty quickly like

1712
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:26,080
it's one thing to say no I would tell

1713
01:08:30,150 --> 01:08:28,810
we love to do to hang out or like be

1714
01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:30,160
abducted all that kind of stuff I don't

1715
01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:31,660
know man because even just you know

1716
01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:32,950
obviously through your experience

1717
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,140
through my experience those were

1718
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:36,880
completely different from what Travis

1719
01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:40,570
went through and and anything more than

1720
01:08:45,630 --> 01:08:42,820
that I'm not I'm not a fan of so I

1721
01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:45,640
remember many this John Mac I believe

1722
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,560
said this the Harvard psychiatrist who

1723
01:08:52,829 --> 01:08:49,359
wrote about alien abduction he said

1724
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:52,839
alien abduction is a club that nobody

1725
01:08:57,690 --> 01:08:55,960
wants to be a part and I believe that to

1726
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,700
be true like boys love to get abducted

1727
01:09:01,500 --> 01:08:59,920
yeah seriously would you would you

1728
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:01,510
really want to live the rest of your

1729
01:09:06,270 --> 01:09:03,310
life knowing something that no one else

1730
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:06,280
on this planet has seen and that your

1731
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:09,190
privacy was invaded and you're examined

1732
01:09:14,730 --> 01:09:13,089
and the fear of thinking or anticipating

1733
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:14,740
that it's going to happen again against

1734
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:17,050
your will is a something I would never

1735
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:20,560
ever want to do it yeah no I agree 100%

1736
01:09:25,650 --> 01:09:22,630
with you and uh you know I'm just I'm

1737
01:09:27,750 --> 01:09:25,660
happy that we were able to get you know

1738
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:27,760
the from this experience we're able to

1739
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:29,710
get a really really compelling and

1740
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:31,930
interesting book off of this and also

1741
01:09:36,450 --> 01:09:34,630
you know in a run getting a fantastic

1742
01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:36,460
movie that I have enjoyed since

1743
01:09:41,310 --> 01:09:38,740
childhood even though most the time has

1744
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,320
been enjoying it in a terrified way it's

1745
01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:43,359
been one of those things where anytime

1746
01:09:48,030 --> 01:09:46,030
somebody who is like hey show me a scary

1747
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:48,040
movie that's the one thing you know you

1748
01:09:52,590 --> 01:09:50,290
can show people movies about zombies

1749
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:52,600
movies about vampires they're always

1750
01:09:56,100 --> 01:09:54,490
going to for the most part is like well

1751
01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:56,110
okay whatever you know there's only so

1752
01:09:59,460 --> 01:09:57,670
much you can believe in that you show

1753
01:10:01,410 --> 01:09:59,470
them fire in the sky you show them an

1754
01:10:03,690 --> 01:10:01,420
alien abduction movie that's potentially

1755
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:03,700
it that that you know an alien deduction

1756
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:05,350
movie that's based off of a true story

1757
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:06,940
that's the movie that's going to scare

1758
01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:08,770
them the most because they don't know

1759
01:10:12,450 --> 01:10:11,140
you know they can't say well this isn't

1760
01:10:14,370 --> 01:10:12,460
real that's a good point and a lot of

1761
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:14,380
people had issue with the way this the

1762
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:17,110
movie ended where you know Travis goes

1763
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,520
back to the site where this all happened

1764
01:10:23,730 --> 01:10:21,760
and it's ambiguous what happens next he

1765
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:23,740
goes there he talks to his friend Mike

1766
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,510
and the movie ends and a lot of people

1767
01:10:29,670 --> 01:10:27,520
had problems with that but I think it

1768
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:29,680
was a wonderful way to end this film is

1769
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:31,600
we don't know what's going to happen

1770
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:33,370
next Travis doesn't know if this is ever

1771
01:10:36,570 --> 01:10:35,290
going to happen to him again that to me

1772
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:36,580
would be the scariest part of all of it

1773
01:10:39,780 --> 01:10:38,770
you know being him in a situation where

1774
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:39,790
it's like not

1775
01:10:43,650 --> 01:10:41,650
any idea if it's ever going to happen

1776
01:10:44,610 --> 01:10:43,660
again like holy [\h__\h] you know that's

1777
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:44,620
crazy

1778
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:46,930
absolutely and he's still searching for

1779
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:48,610
answers at the end of the day man so are

1780
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:48,970
we

1781
01:10:58,170 --> 01:10:54,760
looking for it and I do I'll say this I

1782
01:11:01,710 --> 01:10:58,180
don't have any huge insider info but I

1783
01:11:04,650 --> 01:11:01,720
have heard that a remake is in the works

1784
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:04,660
of Arlen this guy I know we're sick of

1785
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:07,930
remakes at this point but Travis will be

1786
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:10,210
much more involved in this it'll be a

1787
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:12,550
more accurate portrayal of what happened

1788
01:11:18,210 --> 01:11:16,090
to him I also suggest anyone who wants

1789
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:18,220
to hear the the true accurate story

1790
01:11:23,250 --> 01:11:20,410
about Travis there's a wonderful

1791
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:23,260
documentary called Travis oh yeah of

1792
01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:25,060
Travis Walton was a terrifying

1793
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:27,340
experience like that was very careful

1794
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:28,690
murder that they were going to were a

1795
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:30,430
little behind so we worked in till was

1796
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:31,990
starting to get dark we loaded up the

1797
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:34,330
equipment and hadn't driven very far

1798
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:36,790
when we caught glimmers of this glow

1799
01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:39,610
coming to the tree as he got closer I

1800
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:41,470
heard the sound he one of the guys did

1801
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:43,750
you feel that I really panic then I told

1802
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:47,920
him get the hell out of here didn't come

1803
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:50,470
directly to me it came to it a deputy

1804
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:52,930
sheriff Torrio's volunteered right away

1805
01:11:56,580 --> 01:11:55,030
to tell me what had happened and sheriff

1806
01:11:58,890 --> 01:11:56,590
Lewis we definitely didn't believe it he

1807
01:12:00,690 --> 01:11:58,900
says that we better be certain we're

1808
01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:00,700
getting a lot of travel when we went to

1809
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,190
search the next day they split us up and

1810
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:04,960
the whole time deputies asked me you

1811
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:06,190
know let me just tell us where the body

1812
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:08,170
is we can all go home get this over with

1813
01:12:12,510 --> 01:12:09,850
we're talking about a hundred people

1814
01:12:14,590 --> 01:12:12,520
calming through the wooded area

1815
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:14,600
nothing turns

1816
01:12:19,420 --> 01:12:17,570
all week long I've been hearing Linda

1817
01:12:21,460 --> 01:12:19,430
set it up to make you guys look guilty

1818
01:12:22,750 --> 01:12:21,470
or a rough looking bunch then some of us

1819
01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:22,760
have been in trouble with the law before

1820
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:24,470
you know ever going to come out of that

1821
01:12:28,270 --> 01:12:26,810
jailhouse ratty so this is Travis I'm

1822
01:12:30,190 --> 01:12:28,280
back I need help

1823
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:30,200
when I did hear that he had been

1824
01:12:34,750 --> 01:12:32,810
returned it was almost as unbelievable

1825
01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:34,760
as the original thing and it looked at

1826
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:36,590
my mom as I told you we didn't killing

1827
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:39,050
Travis Walton reappeared after sever

1828
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:41,690
those are those are sore the body ride

1829
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:44,510
in an unidentified flying object people

1830
01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:46,370
were desperate to explain it away why

1831
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:48,470
you sticking up for Travis around this

1832
01:12:52,570 --> 01:12:50,210
time you know this really didn't happen

1833
01:12:54,490 --> 01:12:52,580
what happened to travis after we took

1834
01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:54,500
off in that truck I can't tell you I

1835
01:12:58,930 --> 01:12:56,840
hated Travis for long time after this my

1836
01:13:00,610 --> 01:12:58,940
whole world is tore up but I believe

1837
01:13:02,650 --> 01:13:00,620
every word Travis said but he's never

1838
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:02,660
lied to me about nothing it's a net

1839
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:04,490
negative we lost our jobs in the

1840
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:06,170
immediate aftermath and now you're not

1841
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:07,580
able to talk about it with anyone

1842
01:13:10,450 --> 01:13:09,380
because you know that they're going to

1843
01:13:12,550 --> 01:13:10,460
laugh at you they don't look at you like

1844
01:13:14,230 --> 01:13:12,560
you're crazy if you don't come out and

1845
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:14,240
fill your stories somebody else is going

1846
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:16,730
to kill it for you there's a degree of

1847
01:13:21,310 --> 01:13:19,130
responsibility certainly I have to

1848
01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:21,320
accept the bad if I can direct

1849
01:13:25,930 --> 01:13:23,780
what's happened in a way that I can make

1850
01:13:28,570 --> 01:13:25,940
something good happen in the world I'm

1851
01:13:31,090 --> 01:13:28,580
looking for it have you seen yet

1852
01:13:34,060 --> 01:13:31,100
I you know unfortunately I haven't they

1853
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:34,070
screen it at a conference that I usually

1854
01:13:37,330 --> 01:13:35,480
go to and I wasn't able to make it at

1855
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,340
that point and I haven't been able to

1856
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:39,520
really find much about it online

1857
01:13:45,550 --> 01:13:42,620
recently so um I have a website for your

1858
01:13:48,580 --> 01:13:45,560
listeners here it's Travis slash Walton

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01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:48,590
comm check it out it's awesome a lot of

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new evidence about the case they went

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:53,600
back and they found all this weird stuff

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around the trees where this supposedly

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01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:57,680
happened really fascinating you hear

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01:14:02,650 --> 01:13:59,840
from the gentleman who gave the lie

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01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:02,660
detector test you hear oh uh the sheriff

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01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:04,550
who was such a skeptic at first and what

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he thinks about the case now really

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01:14:10,330 --> 01:14:08,480
interesting all these people coming

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01:14:13,570 --> 01:14:10,340
forward who haven't spoken about this in

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a long long time including members that

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were there that night so definitely

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check that out if you get a chance

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yeah I've been I've out that I missed it

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and and that's that sounds that sounds

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:24,980
great he the last time I saw him speak

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01:14:28,090 --> 01:14:26,810
he was that was actually about to come

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that was right around the time the

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came out so he was talking about it and

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made it very sound very compelling so

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definitely gonna have to check that one

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out

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totally hey well I'll tell you one thing

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whatever if if that new movie comes out

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01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:39,770
if that remake comes out we're going to

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be talking about it absolutely you know

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and I'm going to hold you to that so

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01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:45,530
well dude it was so awesome to be able

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to talk to you in general just about

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01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:49,550
everything but you know it firing this

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01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,290
guy and just like your experience and

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01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,120
all that kind of stuff and you know it's

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it's it's it's it's been really it's

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01:14:59,290 --> 01:14:57,770
been a really great great evening for me

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just being able to kind of talk about

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some of this stuff because I don't have

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a lot of friends that I can really

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better really interested in this sort of

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stuff so a lot of the times I'm very

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much interested in it but I just have to

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basically read my books on it

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01:15:15,190 --> 01:15:13,580
warrant aliens UFOs all that in

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:15,200
paranormal all that stuff for whatever

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:18,170
reason I'm usually that one guy in the

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01:15:22,150 --> 01:15:20,210
group of friends who that's my thing you

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01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:22,160
know so I kind of like it's what I'm

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:22,640
into

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:24,770
I enjoy the heck out of it but I don't

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01:15:28,150 --> 01:15:25,850
really have an opportunity to really

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01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,160
talk in detail ER and depth about these

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01:15:32,020 --> 01:15:30,320
things so really was awesome to be able

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01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:32,030
to talk to somebody who is also is

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01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,890
interested if not more interested in it

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01:15:37,150 --> 01:15:35,840
and and and really can provide a lot of

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01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:37,160
really cool information as well oh

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thanks man well you know the feeling is

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mutual I I don't have many I can talk to

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01:15:46,450 --> 01:15:44,210
about horror movies I've always been

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01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:46,460
obsessed with them I'm so glad I found

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01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:48,590
your podcast I am eating it up like

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01:15:53,950 --> 01:15:51,800
crazy and yet it we this is what it's

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01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:53,960
about I think it's a great idea to get

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:15:56,030
these different genres of podcasts

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01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:00,050
together to hash it out to introduce new

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01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:02,450
people to these questions and these

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01:16:06,970 --> 01:16:05,120
interests we both have and yeah it's

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01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:06,980
been a huge honor and a pleasure talking

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01:16:11,170 --> 01:16:09,110
to you tonight as well where where can

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01:16:13,150 --> 01:16:11,180
people find your book your podcasts all

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01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,160
that good stuff all my stuff can be

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found in one crazy hub that's somewhere

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in the skies calm the books on Amazon

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paperback and ebook and yeah podcast is

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01:16:25,630 --> 01:16:23,180
right at somewhere in this guy's calm as

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well and how about for you my man for me

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it's pretty much the same uh just Google

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01:16:33,610 --> 01:16:31,040
the Hal horror program it's where the

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01:16:36,010 --> 01:16:33,620
iPod the the podcast is on the iTunes on

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01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:36,020
stitcher pretty much on every different

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01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:37,820
social media platform whether it's

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01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:40,760
Facebook Twitter Instagram all of it try

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01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:42,050
to keep it as available I don't

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01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:44,480
now granted I don't update it as much as

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Ryan as you do because you know

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01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:49,460
apparently you have a little bit some of

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01:16:52,420 --> 01:16:51,080
us have to work okay come on I always

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01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:52,430
have to work some of us have to watch

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01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:54,770
movies and make dinner for ourselves we

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01:17:00,100 --> 01:16:56,120
can't just be sitting on a computer on

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01:17:02,590 --> 01:17:00,110
our phone oh yeah I see how it is but I

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try to keep stuff as updated as possible

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01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:05,660
and but yeah like no matter what you

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:08,030
love the book awesome love the podcast

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01:17:10,780 --> 01:17:10,250
so great to talk to you dude you as well

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Sammy

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keep your feet on the ground man but

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01:17:15,820 --> 01:17:14,030
never stop searching somewhere in the

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:15,830
skies right on all right that is it for

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01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:18,290
this week's episode be sure to check out

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01:17:23,230 --> 01:17:20,750
both of Sammy's podcasts the howl horror

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01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:23,240
program and the back to life podcast

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:25,610
they're both available on all podcast

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outlets and at back to life podcast calm

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I want to once again thank a few people

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for donating to somewhere in the skies

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01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:36,770
to Cindy Shawn and to an anonymous donor

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your contributions helped the show to

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continue running and grow by leaps and

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01:17:46,330 --> 01:17:43,520
bounds the show is free to consume

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always but not to create so any

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01:17:50,110 --> 01:17:48,460
donations are welcomed and appreciated

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01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:50,120
more than you know

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01:17:55,180 --> 01:17:52,010
to donate go to somewhere in the skies

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01:17:57,490 --> 01:17:55,190
calm and click on the donate please also

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01:17:58,270 --> 01:17:57,500
consider rating and reviewing the show

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01:17:59,890 --> 01:17:58,280
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01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,900
it helps us move up in the featured

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01:18:04,150 --> 01:18:02,480
podcast sections and helps gain new

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01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,160
listeners if you'd like to share your

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01:18:08,410 --> 01:18:06,080
story on the show or have guests in

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01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:08,420
topic suggestions please email me at

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spread and somewhere in the skies calm

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I'll see you next Monday and remember

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keep your feet on the ground but never

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this is been some kind production to